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	<title>Comments on: How one woman did not go into philosophy</title>
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		<title>By: Liosis</title>
		<link>http://www.sculpin.com/journal/2009/11/17/how-one-woman-did-not-go-into-philosophy/comment-page-1/#comment-99095</link>
		<dc:creator>Liosis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Just, wow. I have had bad teachers but never that bad. Maybe because I go to Uvic, with has a ratio of 3 girls to every guy. If they tried that they might get lynched.

I think part of it might be that the other humanities are full of girls. Most of my classes are an equal split between the two. But it is the guys who usually talk more and seem to know what is going on.

The most shocking experience I had was walking into the philosophy library where all the undergrad hang out. There were five guys in there, and one looked up and said &#039;what are you doing here?&#039;

After a moment they realized what they had said, and made a bit of an apology. But that was when I realized that philosophy really is male dominated. It is something that bothers me about feminism. There is philosophy and then a weird divide between it and feminist philosophy. Feminist phil should be a subset of ethics as far as I can tell. But it seems like there are the Real philosophers who are the men and then there are the feminist philosophers. I think there is fault for this on both sides. Because the feminist philosophers will accuse other women in philosophy of buying into a patriarchial structure. It&#039;s weird.

That comment, however, reminds me of a very amusing one I got in my medieval philosophy class. Instead of telling me I was wrong the teacher yelled, &#039;Heretic! and informed me that in this context I would be burned at the stake and instead of being hung until dead.&#039; I kinda adored my teacher for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Just, wow. I have had bad teachers but never that bad. Maybe because I go to Uvic, with has a ratio of 3 girls to every guy. If they tried that they might get lynched.</p>
<p>I think part of it might be that the other humanities are full of girls. Most of my classes are an equal split between the two. But it is the guys who usually talk more and seem to know what is going on.</p>
<p>The most shocking experience I had was walking into the philosophy library where all the undergrad hang out. There were five guys in there, and one looked up and said &#8216;what are you doing here?&#8217;</p>
<p>After a moment they realized what they had said, and made a bit of an apology. But that was when I realized that philosophy really is male dominated. It is something that bothers me about feminism. There is philosophy and then a weird divide between it and feminist philosophy. Feminist phil should be a subset of ethics as far as I can tell. But it seems like there are the Real philosophers who are the men and then there are the feminist philosophers. I think there is fault for this on both sides. Because the feminist philosophers will accuse other women in philosophy of buying into a patriarchial structure. It&#8217;s weird.</p>
<p>That comment, however, reminds me of a very amusing one I got in my medieval philosophy class. Instead of telling me I was wrong the teacher yelled, &#8216;Heretic! and informed me that in this context I would be burned at the stake and instead of being hung until dead.&#8217; I kinda adored my teacher for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Devon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had an undergraduate philosophy-shock experience too.  I audited a lot of courses just for fun as an undergraduate, and one of them (and only one) was philosophy.  Something like &quot;philosophy of consciousness.&quot;  What a juicy and exciting topic!!  So I even bought the textbooks.  I tried to read them a bit, but they were as accessible and interesting as, say, a book on the legal history of import regulations.
So I went to class, and it was about the same.  50 minutes of lecture on the differences of X-istic Y-ism versus Z-istic X-ism.  My hopes of seeing some glimmer of understanding, finding some insight into the world around me, were completely dashed.  I never went to the class again.
Later I learned that philosophy is the most common undergraduate major for students of law school.  This makes perfect sense.  They&#039;re both the study of terminology and definitions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an undergraduate philosophy-shock experience too.  I audited a lot of courses just for fun as an undergraduate, and one of them (and only one) was philosophy.  Something like &#8220;philosophy of consciousness.&#8221;  What a juicy and exciting topic!!  So I even bought the textbooks.  I tried to read them a bit, but they were as accessible and interesting as, say, a book on the legal history of import regulations.<br />
So I went to class, and it was about the same.  50 minutes of lecture on the differences of X-istic Y-ism versus Z-istic X-ism.  My hopes of seeing some glimmer of understanding, finding some insight into the world around me, were completely dashed.  I never went to the class again.<br />
Later I learned that philosophy is the most common undergraduate major for students of law school.  This makes perfect sense.  They&#8217;re both the study of terminology and definitions.</p>
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		<title>By: tricstmr</title>
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		<dc:creator>tricstmr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an ass.

As someone who didn&#039;t go into philosophy of science, but did get my PhD. in the History of Science (actually, the history of technology...), I can tell you that what you said sounds a hell of a lot more like where a real philosopher would start.  Obviously, the &quot;scientist who thinks they are a philosopher&quot; didn&#039;t get that you cannot just assume the world, sensory data, etc in such endeavors.

In any case, as a Historian, let me tell you how much we hate philosophers of science.  Or at least, let me tell you what frustrates the ever-living-fuck out of me when it comes to many philosophers of science--say like Feyerabend.  

Mainly, it&#039;s the fact that they like to talk about what science is in a way that entirely doesn&#039;t have anything to do with how science is actually done, embodied, or exists in the actual world.  I&#039;ve read more than enough philosophy of science to come across countless examples of them saying &quot;Science needs X and Y to exist.&quot; And then some person points out, &quot;Well, famous Scientist W--when he discovered fundamental theory Q didn&#039;t do anything like Y, and only partially does X, but in a totally different way than you&#039;ve described leading to a very different practice and result.&quot; 

And Philosopher comes back and says &quot;Well, that&#039;s just bunk. Science is this way, and those historical details aren&#039;t important anyway.&quot;

So.. this is a roundabout way of saying--Good, I&#039;m glad your not in philosophy.  Perhaps the overall reason is that women have a tendency to care more about stuff that is ACTUALLY IMPORTANT rather than just engaging in abstract mental masturbation that no one else really gives a damn about--whereas some men have no such qualms..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an ass.</p>
<p>As someone who didn&#8217;t go into philosophy of science, but did get my PhD. in the History of Science (actually, the history of technology&#8230;), I can tell you that what you said sounds a hell of a lot more like where a real philosopher would start.  Obviously, the &#8220;scientist who thinks they are a philosopher&#8221; didn&#8217;t get that you cannot just assume the world, sensory data, etc in such endeavors.</p>
<p>In any case, as a Historian, let me tell you how much we hate philosophers of science.  Or at least, let me tell you what frustrates the ever-living-fuck out of me when it comes to many philosophers of science&#8211;say like Feyerabend.  </p>
<p>Mainly, it&#8217;s the fact that they like to talk about what science is in a way that entirely doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with how science is actually done, embodied, or exists in the actual world.  I&#8217;ve read more than enough philosophy of science to come across countless examples of them saying &#8220;Science needs X and Y to exist.&#8221; And then some person points out, &#8220;Well, famous Scientist W&#8211;when he discovered fundamental theory Q didn&#8217;t do anything like Y, and only partially does X, but in a totally different way than you&#8217;ve described leading to a very different practice and result.&#8221; </p>
<p>And Philosopher comes back and says &#8220;Well, that&#8217;s just bunk. Science is this way, and those historical details aren&#8217;t important anyway.&#8221;</p>
<p>So.. this is a roundabout way of saying&#8211;Good, I&#8217;m glad your not in philosophy.  Perhaps the overall reason is that women have a tendency to care more about stuff that is ACTUALLY IMPORTANT rather than just engaging in abstract mental masturbation that no one else really gives a damn about&#8211;whereas some men have no such qualms..</p>
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		<title>By: Cam Sculpin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cam Sculpin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t swear he&#039;s a misogynist, but I&#039;d sure swear to his being a lousy teacher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t swear he&#8217;s a misogynist, but I&#8217;d sure swear to his being a lousy teacher.</p>
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		<title>By: Rechercher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rechercher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to being a misogynist, he sounds like a lousy teacher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to being a misogynist, he sounds like a lousy teacher.</p>
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